Thread: Should I go for Carrier in Infosec ?

Well Infosec field which i choose for only one reason i.e its challenging and thr is opportunity to do something new every day.. like if thr is already some hacking methods such as Buffer OverFlow but not all application vuln to BOF have same code or approach as me and FB1H2S faced 3days back... If someone want money and his goal is only money not learning and accepting challenges then go for management jobs not infosec....

I was having good offer from a s/w development company but my aim was to be in infosec less salary dont matters for me...

I agree with each and every word posted by Neo. Info-sec and hacking are not "yet another Choice" for the people. Its art and only artists called hackers can survive, climb not the ladders but the Himalayas of success with having lot of money in hand with only ONE way to spend it - on LEARNING SOMETHING NEW.

And 41.W4R10R, S/W people might get a good start but very few of them can find the ways to grow with speed AS WE DO. I have not only seen this happening with my friends, I have experienced it as well.

(P.S. : Keep in mind - Never let money thoughts (whether because of less money or lots of money) conquer your hackers brain. Money would not be the thing for which you will be remembered for).

Well,

chosing infosec !!! Makes me feel bizzarre.

I t takes whole life to become an expert or a researcher in this field and achieve the ultimate state of mind honoured as --- "The Hacker".

Can someone become a hacker within few months by doing a course. nop, he can listen the music, he can play a music player, but he can't compose.

And the composers are not the one who chose and did some course...rather they are born, they had their senses inclined towards music in extraordinary ways.

Similarly an infosec person is a born soldier and not by choosing.

What is the difference then, to learn operating a kiddie software, even a kid can do same who knows how to work in MS Word.

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Please ... our soul urges to those people who are going to chose the infosec field as a carrier. Do not get in.
You are going to poise the sanctity of this world.

Please atleast leave this world for those who are special and are born to live in this world...

Thanx..."Vinnu"
Legion Of Xtremers (LOX).

+1 for Vinnu

Greta write up , I really needed this post to show few pople

i agree with you vinnu ! +1 to u !

I am not little biased over vinnu's post.
Its, not necessary that I/we/you have started "I for INTERNET" instead of "I for INK" in our childhoods.
Its, even not necessary that a person, cannot start his/her career in Info-sec, just because he/she is not started little early. No one is Born "Experts". Expertise comes from different vectors like, "experiences, mistakes, achievements, interest/enthusiasm etc.."
Beside that, people sometimes act very smart and try to achieve things either in wrong/word-follow/wrong advice ways, and fall really great in world of fantasies, which he/she never gets there.

Namaste
A very nice explanation, but this is not about late starters. But about the people who really think that they are going to chose by doing certain trainings and courses.

Well, regarding entering into info sec world, you never chose, rather its since your birth.
Its never by chance or by your degree/training, rather by your special senses.

You cannot achieve the feeling of hacktivism by doing certain courses, rather it is since your birth.
It really doesnt mean that a late starter will never be a hacker.

Even I am also a late starter, but it doesnt mean that I chose or entered into it by chance or by any course. It all begin since earlier stages of childhood.

My toys were not alike other usuals, but rather the junk or electronics/electricals. I used to spend time in searching the junkyards of 20KM away telephone exchange on 2nd saturday of the month, or by asking so many questions to strange tv/radio mechanics. The paper-box below my bed was always full of junk, and i used to bring it back so many times my parents threw it away. I never played video game, but played with the weaponry in that stage when most of children spend times in front of tv.

Remember, the very first moment when you first ever saw or touched a computer in your real life.

Can you remember the thought at that very first moment, It was that thought of that very first moment which makes the difference. I too had an extraordinary thought at that very moment which differed from others accompanying me at that very moment.

Remember that very first moment's thought cannot be chosen or induced by any degree or course/training. It is always natural instinct and no matter at which stage you exposed yourself to the computers.

That very first thought handles you the key to the info sec world, and that very thought cant be induced by chance or by choosing.
As you never had a choice you can never chose; as no other option is there; and "No plan B".

if you have those special senses to induce such different ideas no matter when you start you are always a hacker, no matter you know metasploit, nmap, ...,etc or whatever shit.

Thanx

..."vinnu"

Fore mostly, I thank, neo for starting a good topic, which will lead people who are about to begin in info-sec may get points from this trend. And, to vinnu for sharing his experience in info-sec, which in turn will/may lead to a healthy debate.

Namaste
A very nice explanation, but this is not about late starters. But about the people who really think that they are going to chose by doing certain trainings and courses.

I do not agree completely, I understood the topic very well, but, late choosing/training for selecting a career field most usually resembles/reflects the oppertunities.

Well, regarding entering into info sec world, you never chose, rather its since your birth.

I did not get it. How will you get a feeling from your birth? Practically, its not.

Its never by chance or by your degree/training, rather by your special senses.

I strongly dis-agree, I have seen allot of morons in the info-sec, they are there either by there degree or a Luck.
Degree/Certifications creates more oppourtinuties. As, you might have seen in Job portals, for the people who have degree/certification have more oppertunities then the person who does not. However, the topic, "Degree/Cert vs Utimate Knowledge" have done to death million times, but, It should be note that, it play a critical role in the career oppertunities.

You cannot achieve the feeling of hacktivism by doing certain courses, rather it is since your birth.
It really doesnt mean that a late starter will never be a hacker.

Dude, If anyone need to be in to info-sec, does it mean he/she should be a hacktivist? or If I understood it correctly, a person who isn't a hacktivist, cannot be a hacker or something?

Even I am also a late starter, but it doesnt mean that I chose or entered into it by chance or by any course. It all begin since earlier stages of childhood.

My toys were not alike other usuals, but rather the junk or electronics/electricals. I used to spend time in searching the junkyards of 20KM away telephone exchange on 2nd saturday of the month, or by asking so many questions to strange tv/radio mechanics. The paper-box below my bed was always full of junk, and i used to bring it back so many times my parents threw it away. I never played video game, but played with the weaponry in that stage when most of children spend times in front of tv.

Remember, the very first moment when you first ever saw or touched a computer in your real life.

Can you remember the thought at that very first moment, It was that thought of that very first moment which makes the difference. I too had an extraordinary thought at that very moment which differed from others accompanying me at that very moment.

Remember that very first moment's thought cannot be chosen or induced by any degree or course/training. It is always natural instinct and no matter at which stage you exposed yourself to the computers.


That very first thought handles you the key to the info sec world, and that very thought cant be induced by chance or by choosing.
As you never had a choice you can never chose; as no other option is there; and "No plan B".

Everyone have there feelings, honestly, I don't even remember, for what reason, I had touched my first PC, but, I loved playing games, started cheating in games, and then got cheated with someone else, and started defending the usual cheats etc., I stated learing C and C++ at my 8th standard, what I did learn was nothing more then a byhards to complete exams, thats becusae, at that age, boys doesn't think much about the career/sattlement and all, instead they think about the next level of studies. Most usually, the whole scanerio of info-sec "ACTUALLY" started with the "INTERNET". After spending more then a decade, I can honestly understood one thing, that, a proper planning/guideness is alway a helping hand for shaping your career not just limited to info-sec.

I agree to the point of doing some courses or training will not make you anything, the interest and enthusisum is always required, but, these training and courses 'WILL' give a standing/starting point.

I statrted as "Tech Support Executive", then did some Certifications, while doing soo, I had to change the city, and for the living I did completely non technical job, IT-Recruiter, completed certification, joing a small organization as IT-service team, then changed to another company as Network engineer, and then changed again, worked as Network support for another company, then again worked as production support engineer over VMWare ESX server(Network supports for clients), I did learned from experiences, like got fired by two companies in regular yearly audit by CISO's, but, again, at one company while leaving, showed them, dumbest security in palce to that CISO, he was actually amazed, but due to company norms and all, HR, who was again a dumb ass, fired me, I don't actually gave a flying f***, then again, got a chance a chance to work on a case of police, where actually, SAI SATISH introduced me, solved that case like piece of cake, where the actually technical involved was not with the hacking but of a Filesystem, where then, got involved with plenty of case, and department was impressed, still, working here, as Cyber Crime forensic Expert.

The thing what I have learned from my experiences is, its not about late starting, neither it is of training/courses, I strongly believe in few things like, "No education is useless", as amit kher said, "Successful people doesn't do things different, they do it differently", "Your mastery in a thing, will haunt you one day or the other", it little inclined with chances and most importantly, about three things, those are "INTEREST, INTEREST, and only INTEREST".

if you have those special senses to induce such different ideas no matter when you start you are always a hacker, no matter you know metasploit, nmap, ...,etc or whatever shit.

Thanx

..."vinnu"

I agree to the point here, actually, the senses will always inclined towards interests again, simple, example in late, 2003, I was soo much desperate to read the book, "Uber-Hacker II" by carolyn meinel, I serched allmot 100 book stores but it wasn't availabe, but I was having no boundries, I ask my brother who is in different city and the result was same, then, again, I email my uncle who was in New Jercy, he orderd the book online and sended me. After reading that book, I was actually fasinated with the concept at those time, where I did test XSS sql-injection, these topics actually hit the internet security in 2005, but, after couple of years, I realised that book was nothing, just because, you alread had the knowledge, I have read more then thousand books, I don't like reading over computer, I like reading them before sleep at my bed. Books/videos actually teach how to do it in specific scenario, as great C.V.Raman said, "we are taught to learn, but we are not taught to think" which is absolutely amazing words, which is actually required.

-Hackuin